Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

waoz1 · Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:34 am

Thai airways flight from Perth delayed the other day
Jetbridge hit engine cowling.

https://www.phuketgazette.net/news/pert ... ht-aborted

qf789 · Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:59 am

Latest VA 737 VH-YWA and to be named Cable Beach takes its first test flight

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 3417321472

sq256 · Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:42 am

ben175 wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
qf789 wrote:
I have heard on the grapevine that an airline (from Asia) that currently does not fly to PER yet has been in town evaluating the airport over the past week or so

I know who it is- a little out of left field and not that exciting, but I guess it's an extra notch in the PER belt. The monopoly carrier on the existing city pair will be peeved...

Spill the beans!

I'm going to say either Thai AirAsia X or NokScoot to BKK.

Technically one or both would be flying into DMK (the older Bangkok Airport). My money would be on XJ. XW (NokScoot) had the older (derated ex-SQ) 772s which does have question marks whether if they can fill 400 seats on a older aircraft at decent yields.

qf789 · Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:53 am

sq256 wrote:
ben175 wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
I know who it is- a little out of left field and not that exciting, but I guess it's an extra notch in the PER belt. The monopoly carrier on the existing city pair will be peeved...

Spill the beans!

I'm going to say either Thai AirAsia X or NokScoot to BKK.

Technically one or both would be flying into DMK (the older Bangkok Airport). My money would be on XJ. XW (NokScoot) had the older (derated ex-SQ) 772s which does have question marks whether if they can fill 400 seats on a older aircraft at decent yields.

If it is going to be out of left field I would say it would be SL

MooLor · Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:04 am

ben175 wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
qf789 wrote:
I have heard on the grapevine that an airline (from Asia) that currently does not fly to PER yet has been in town evaluating the airport over the past week or so

I know who it is- a little out of left field and not that exciting, but I guess it's an extra notch in the PER belt. The monopoly carrier on the existing city pair will be peeved...

Spill the beans!

I'm going to say either Thai AirAsia X or NokScoot to BKK.

They are surely due to fly somewhere in Oz. I read an interview with one of their CEOs in the early days, where they were not interested in Australia for their early destinations as competition was just too hot. But they have been up and running for a good while now.

Wasn't there an issue with Thailand's failure of the ICAO audit a couple of years ago - making it a problem for their individual airlines to fly to countries they were not already flying to? Memory is a bit hazy on that one. I suspect that audit failure is why MEL is still waiting to see TG A350s though.

I do know Chinese tourists make up around a third of visitors to Thailand now, and that is where the Thai LCCs have been concentrating their efforts. That and the countries Thai citizens can visit visa on arrival - Japan and South Korea IIRC.

MooLor · Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:08 am

Qatar has CBR flights on sale.

Fly to Europe from $1,215*

Flights starting from 13 February 2018*

*Subject to Government approval.

https://www.qatarairways.com/en-au/offers/canberra.html?CID=DMAU105450

eta unknown · Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:34 am

Right track... wrong train :-)

TG788 · Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:09 am

qf789 wrote:
If it is going to be out of left field I would say it would be SL

I'll go even more out of left field and say FZ

eta unknown · Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:57 am

Apologies I missed one of the guesses above... Train is at the station!

waoz1 · Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:06 pm

[*]

eta unknown wrote:
Apologies I missed one of the guesses above... Train is at the station!

Haha thanks ... which one!

777ER · Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:13 pm

VA are recruiting in CHC and AKL - https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/virgin- ... s270129_01

qf789 · Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:44 pm

waoz1 wrote:
[*]
eta unknown wrote:
Apologies I missed one of the guesses above... Train is at the station!

Haha thanks ... which one!

I mentioned SL which is Thai LionAir or whatever they call themselves these days

RyanairGuru · Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:32 pm

qf789 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
[*]
eta unknown wrote:
Apologies I missed one of the guesses above... Train is at the station!

Haha thanks ... which one!

I mentioned SL which is Thai LionAir or whatever they call themselves these days

PER-BKK is 3,296 miles. That is really, really stretching the range of a 737.

My money is still on Thai AirAsia X.

redroo · Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:18 pm

Is the A321LR going to open up more routes from Perth in the future? It has more legs than the 737 and A320 but is there anything in range worth while?

waoz1 · Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:49 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
qf789 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
[*]

Haha thanks ... which one!

I mentioned SL which is Thai LionAir or whatever they call themselves these days

PER-BKK is 3,296 miles. That is really, really stretching the range of a 737.

My money is still on Thai AirAsia X.

Maybe its via Phuket?

qf789 · Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:07 am

Both Airbus and Boeing have responded to QF's challenge

https://www.ausbt.com.au/airbus-boeing- ... for-qantas

qf789 · Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:24 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
qf789 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
[*]

Haha thanks ... which one!

I mentioned SL which is Thai LionAir or whatever they call themselves these days

PER-BKK is 3,296 miles. That is really, really stretching the range of a 737.

My money is still on Thai AirAsia X.

PER-BKK is 2863nm. Norwegian is currently flying 738's across the Atlantic on slighter longer sectors (100nm longer) so while it would be a stretch it could be done. Thai Lion Air will also take delivery of the 737MAX8 from early next year which has a range of 3500nm there's a good chance it could be done with a 737. Also FWIW Thai Lion Air has requested permission to operate the A330

kriskim · Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:26 am

Malindo's A330's have been reallocated to Thai Lion Air so it does sounds promising that it is them

waoz1 · Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:47 am

kriskim wrote:
Malindo's A330's have been reallocated to Thai Lion Air so it does sounds promising that it is them

I just saw an article from last year that they were looking at Bangkok-Bali-Perth but with the A330 would take the Bali sector out.

aldrigsomandre · Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:04 am

A South African Airways flight attendant arrested in Perth after trying to smuggle in 6 kg's of cocaine into Australia. Wow, just wow.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 1884189d50

qf789 · Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:18 am

NH is considering adding more flights to Australia

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... australia/

eamondzhang · Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:29 am

qf789 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
qf789 wrote:

I mentioned SL which is Thai LionAir or whatever they call themselves these days

PER-BKK is 3,296 miles. That is really, really stretching the range of a 737.

My money is still on Thai AirAsia X.

PER-BKK is 2863nm. Norwegian is currently flying 738's across the Atlantic on slighter longer sectors (100nm longer) so while it would be a stretch it could be done. Thai Lion Air will also take delivery of the 737MAX8 from early next year which has a range of 3500nm there's a good chance it could be done with a 737. Also FWIW Thai Lion Air has requested permission to operate the A330

Yes Norwegian does fly TATL with 738 but that's with significant penalty. I read elsewhere on this forum that the flight is blocking some 35-40 seats, certainly wouldn't make the flight worthwhile.

Michael

IndianicWorld · Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:49 pm

qf789 wrote:
NH is considering adding more flights to Australia

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... australia/

BNE or PER would appear to be favourites.

MEL was on their agenda but it is well and truly covered now with QF and JL.

qf789 · Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:37 am

QF considering offering discounted airfares to WA regional centres for those visitors from London

https://thewest.com.au/news/tourism/qan ... b88582740z

jrfspa320 · Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:07 am

qf789 wrote:
QF considering offering discounted airfares to WA regional centres for those visitors from London

https://thewest.com.au/news/tourism/qan ... b88582740z

Aside from Broome, I cant see any other "regional tourist destinations" being overly popular with visitors from London/Europe...but who knows the delights of Kalgoorlie's Hannan Street or Costa del Geraldton may appeal to some

zkncj · Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:06 am

777ER wrote:
VA are recruiting in CHC and AKL - https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/virgin- ... s270129_01

Seems an bit odd for an airline not doing to well? and they in need of replacements due to large amount of staff leaving or are they going back to try playing the its cheaper to employ 'New Zealand Based Crew'

qf789 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:10 am

VA to go daily on MEL-HKG from 12 November

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... -hong-kong

VA is now reportedly eyeing flights from SYD or BNE to HKG

Qantas16 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:37 am

China Eastern delivers daily Shanghai – Brisbane flights
Just nine months after launching four times weekly flights between Brisbane and Shanghai, China Eastern has confirmed it will boost services to daily from November 2017.

Source: http://newsroom.bne.com.au/china-easter ... e-flights/

Good to see the service is going well. Hopefully we will see some more Chinese airlines in BNE soon (in addition to HU later this month).

USAOZ · Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:43 am

zkncj wrote:
777ER wrote:
VA are recruiting in CHC and AKL - https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/virgin- ... s270129_01

Seems an bit odd for an airline not doing to well? and they in need of replacements due to large amount of staff leaving or are they going back to try playing the its cheaper to employ 'New Zealand Based Crew'

heard from a VA (OZ) pilot that leave cancelled due to shortage of pilots.

USAOZ · Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:49 am

zkncj wrote:
777ER wrote:
VA are recruiting in CHC and AKL - https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/virgin- ... s270129_01

Seems an bit odd for an airline not doing to well? and they in need of replacements due to large amount of staff leaving or are they going back to try playing the its cheaper to employ 'New Zealand Based Crew'

VA might base some crew in DUD. VA operate all BNE/DUD flights which arrive at some crazy time like 2345 or after midnight, then the aircraft sit at DUD until around 0800, when return to BNE.

1) it seems crazy to aircraft sit at DUD for so long

2) timing only suits Kiwis. Australians used to fly into DUD as a cheaper alternative to flying into ZQN, but now the timings virtually mean you have to overnight around DUD in both directions, if going to ZQN. From memory the flights used to arrive DUD around 1500 & return to BNE at around 1600, which meant pax could drive to ZQN.

Now price sensitive pax either fly to CHC or AKL. CHC pax would drive from there to ZQN (think only NZ now flies CHC/ZQN). AKL pax could fly on NZ or JQ or ZQN.

Would old timings of BNE/DUD flights bastardise the BNE/ZQN flights ? In only a very small way I would have thought ?

Sydscott · Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:09 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF considering offering discounted airfares to WA regional centres for those visitors from London

https://thewest.com.au/news/tourism/qan ... b88582740z

Aside from Broome, I cant see any other "regional tourist destinations" being overly popular with visitors from London/Europe...but who knows the delights of Kalgoorlie's Hannan Street or Costa del Geraldton may appeal to some

You've also got Monkey Mia and Shark Bay area which is easier to access from Geraldton.

PA515 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:21 am

USAOZ wrote:
VA might base some crew in DUD. VA operate all BNE/DUD flights which arrive at some crazy time like 2345 or after midnight, then the aircraft sit at DUD until around 0800, when return to BNE.

No, they don't have many flights to DUD.

USAOZ wrote:
1) it seems crazy to aircraft sit at DUD for so long

No, it's normal. NZ, JQ, QF and VA all do it at AKL, WLG, CHC.

USAOZ wrote:
2) timing only suits Kiwis. Australians used to fly into DUD as a cheaper alternative to flying into ZQN, but now the timings virtually mean you have to overnight around DUD in both directions, if going to ZQN. From memory the flights used to arrive DUD around 1500 & return to BNE at around 1600, which meant pax could drive to ZQN.

That's because it's a DUD flight. No one in their right mind would drive DUD-ZQN when it's completely unnecessary.

Surprised you didn't mention BNE-IVC which REALDEAL quite liked.

PA515

mariner · Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:27 am

Sydscott wrote:
You've also got Monkey Mia and Shark Bay area which is easier to access from Geraldton.

I'd happily spend a few nights at Geraldton, a week, say, with a drive down to Dongara. Magic place - great food - wonderful, laid back people. Anyone who doesn't don't know that coast really should spend some time there.

mariner

qf789 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:59 am

Sydscott wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF considering offering discounted airfares to WA regional centres for those visitors from London

https://thewest.com.au/news/tourism/qan ... b88582740z

Aside from Broome, I cant see any other "regional tourist destinations" being overly popular with visitors from London/Europe...but who knows the delights of Kalgoorlie's Hannan Street or Costa del Geraldton may appeal to some

You've also got Monkey Mia and Shark Bay area which is easier to access from Geraldton.

You also can do a detour to Kalbarri on the way to Shark Bay

I also expect Exmouth/Coral Bay and Ningaloo Reef will be pushed as another destination for overseas visitors

Sydscott · Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:03 am

mariner wrote:
Anyone who doesn't don't know that coast really should spend some time there. mariner

Completely agree!

qf789 wrote:
I also expect Exmouth/Coral Bay and Ningaloo Reef will be pushed as another destination for overseas visitors

Especially during Peak Whale Shark Season. I'd imagine it could become an evern bigger drawcard than what it currently is with the right marketing,

USAOZ · Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:29 am

PA515 wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
VA might base some crew in DUD. VA operate all BNE/DUD flights which arrive at some crazy time like 2345 or after midnight, then the aircraft sit at DUD until around 0800, when return to BNE.

No, they don't have many flights to DUD.

USAOZ wrote:
1) it seems crazy to aircraft sit at DUD for so long

No, it's normal. NZ, JQ, QF and VA all do it at AKL, WLG, CHC.

USAOZ wrote:
2) timing only suits Kiwis. Australians used to fly into DUD as a cheaper alternative to flying into ZQN, but now the timings virtually mean you have to overnight around DUD in both directions, if going to ZQN. From memory the flights used to arrive DUD around 1500 & return to BNE at around 1600, which meant pax could drive to ZQN.

That's because it's a DUD flight. No one in their right mind would drive DUD-ZQN when it's completely unnecessary.

Surprised you didn't mention BNE-IVC which REALDEAL quite liked.

PA515

BNE/DUD was often $400 less than BNE/ZQN. $400 x however many in your group, is significant amount of money to most families.

VA/NZ can't get rid of BNE/DUD as it's part of their alliance approval. I aslo think that DUD closes less often than ZQN. DUD is now the alternate for all international flights.

qf789 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:28 am

QF has chosen Airbus to do cabin upgrades on A388 fleet

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... fleet.html

qf789 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:28 pm

VH-OQJ returned to DXB on Wednesday due to a pressurisation issue

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-a380- ... al-return/

qf789 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:20 pm

UA to start IAH-SYD from 18 Jan 18, first SYD departure 20 Jan

UA101 IAH2000-630+2SYD 789 D
UA100 SYD1150-1035IAH 789 D

http://newsroom.united.com/2017-09-07-U ... and-Sydney

smi0006 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:45 pm

[twoid][/twoid]

qf789 wrote:
UA to start IAH-SYD from 18 Jan 18, first SYD departure 20 Jan

UA101 IAH2000-630+2SYD 789 D
UA100 SYD1150-1035IAH 789 D

http://newsroom.united.com/2017-09-07-U ... and-Sydney

Stunned by this one! As I posted in the other thread fully expected SFO-MEL first, kudos to UA for holding their own in AU with no star feed, NZ won't be impressed!

waoz1 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:24 pm

Etihad flight of returns to Perth after an hour into flight around Geraldton due to turbulence
EY487 787-9
Dumped fuel landed safely with no injuries

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 70f5aa9a1d

qf789 · Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:32 pm

JQ plans to increase Indonesian services from 1 Feb 18, including adding a EK codeshare

Qantas has told the International Air Services Commission that Jetstar plans to increase services between Australia and Indonesia from February 1 next year.
To facilitate this it has asked for 1300 seats on the Indonesia route.

Rohan Garnett, executive manager for international affairs, said in the current application “Jetstar is planning to operate these services using B787 aircraft configured with 335 seats and A320 aircraft configured with 180 seats.”
The allocation is sought for five years, covering Qantas and subsidiaries. A tick is also requested for joint services with Emirates.

http://impactpub.com.au/micebtn/85-news ... tes-aboard

qf789 · Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:02 am

CI to serve SYD 5 weekly instead of daily between 29 Oct 17 and 26 Nov 17

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-07sep17/

AsiaTravel · Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:30 am

qf789 wrote:
CI to serve SYD 5 weekly instead of daily between 29 Oct 17 and 26 Nov 17

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-07sep17/

I don't know how they manage to go from 5 weekly A333 in November to 2x daily A359 in December...

EK413 · Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:34 am

qf789 wrote:
VH-OQJ returned to DXB on Wednesday due to a pressurisation issue

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-a380- ... al-return/

With DXB temperatures exceeding 50 degrees on the tarmac the dispatch reliability ex-DXB does not surprise me. The move back to SIN couldn't come any sooner!

EK413

Sydscott · Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:44 am

smi0006 wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
qf789 wrote:
UA to start IAH-SYD from 18 Jan 18, first SYD departure 20 Jan

UA101 IAH2000-630+2SYD 789 D
UA100 SYD1150-1035IAH 789 D

http://newsroom.united.com/2017-09-07-U ... and-Sydney

Stunned by this one! As I posted in the other thread fully expected SFO-MEL first, kudos to UA for holding their own in AU with no star feed, NZ won't be impressed!

I'm not surprised. UA would have a good knowledge of how NZ is doing on IAH-AKL and reasonable knowledge of QF's DFW service. IAH is the only key business market for QF that it doesn't serve and probably never will due to the UA hub so for UA to jump in makes complete sense to me. Moreso given what they've done on LAX & SFO to SIN as it appears UA is determined to push the 787 to its limit.

I hate to say it but people need to give up on a MEL-SFO route. I just can't see it happening.

qf789 · Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:26 am

Another article on WA regional flights.

Note the author of the article who works for FlightGlobal use to work for QF Group, no need to say anymore

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/cmon- ... ycm9j.html

TN486 · Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:32 am

qf789 wrote:
QF has chosen Airbus to do cabin upgrades on A388 fleet

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... fleet.html

Speculation. Maybe some of the deposit money for the 6 A380's not yet taken up is being used to pay for this upgrade hmmm.

grjplanes · Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:40 am

QF commences codeshare with El Al (LY) from 12 Sept...on flights via BKK, HKG and JNB...isn't going via JNB quite a detour or is it one of the quickest options between SYD and TLV...since the ME3 carriers obviously don't serve TLV.

skyhawkmatthew · Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:16 am

grjplanes wrote:
QF commences codeshare with El Al (LY) from 12 Sept...on flights via BKK, HKG and JNB...isn't going via JNB quite a detour or is it one of the quickest options between SYD and TLV...since the ME3 carriers obviously don't serve TLV.

Most days the LY flight to TLV leaves HKG before the QF flights arrive; maybe it's a better connection through JNB.

(Or, of course, passengers could just connect with oneworld from the QF flight onto the late night CX departure...)

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